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	<title>Comments on: The Lives of Others</title>
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		<title>By: otrops: jeff van campen&#8217;s personal blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 5 books for 2007</title>
		<link>http://otrops.com/archive/2007/05/13/the-lives/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>otrops: jeff van campen&#8217;s personal blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 5 books for 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written briefly about Never Let Me Go before. What is extraordinary about the book is not so much what is said, but what goes [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff VC</title>
		<link>http://otrops.com/archive/2007/05/13/the-lives/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff VC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 11:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Eman, you comments didn't seem strange  or snarky at all.  And they were relavent.   I think I may have written my response when I was a bit too sleepy...

I think that the interesting thing about your comments is that yours are based in raeality while most of mine were based entirely in fiction.

And you brought up an important question that I don't think I have the answer to (yet).  How do we fight something that seems impossible to fight?  Do we -- and most of us seem to -- just sit there and let it happen?  That's not what I want to do any more.  I'm inclined to simply fill this blog with political rants, but I don't really think that's a solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Eman, you comments didn&#8217;t seem strange  or snarky at all.  And they were relavent.   I think I may have written my response when I was a bit too sleepy&#8230;</p>
<p>I think that the interesting thing about your comments is that yours are based in raeality while most of mine were based entirely in fiction.</p>
<p>And you brought up an important question that I don&#8217;t think I have the answer to (yet).  How do we fight something that seems impossible to fight?  Do we &#8212; and most of us seem to &#8212; just sit there and let it happen?  That&#8217;s not what I want to do any more.  I&#8217;m inclined to simply fill this blog with political rants, but I don&#8217;t really think that&#8217;s a solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Eman</title>
		<link>http://otrops.com/archive/2007/05/13/the-lives/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Eman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 03:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last sentence I wrote seems strange. I was asking if my comments were relevant to what you were saying. Sorry if it seemed snarky, not the intention at all.

Kiss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last sentence I wrote seems strange. I was asking if my comments were relevant to what you were saying. Sorry if it seemed snarky, not the intention at all.</p>
<p>Kiss.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VC</title>
		<link>http://otrops.com/archive/2007/05/13/the-lives/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff VC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 21:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eman

Perhaps what I should have written about is figuring out how to fight back when you know that something is wrong.  And by that I mean doing something other than writing an oblique critique of American/British politics poorly disguised as a film/book review.

But that's the thing, I don't know what else to do.  I make the excuse that I'm in  a strange situation, living in one country and being a citizen of another.  Everyone has an excuse, I guess.  Mine's not a very good one.

Anyone have any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eman</p>
<p>Perhaps what I should have written about is figuring out how to fight back when you know that something is wrong.  And by that I mean doing something other than writing an oblique critique of American/British politics poorly disguised as a film/book review.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s the thing, I don&#8217;t know what else to do.  I make the excuse that I&#8217;m in  a strange situation, living in one country and being a citizen of another.  Everyone has an excuse, I guess.  Mine&#8217;s not a very good one.</p>
<p>Anyone have any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Eman</title>
		<link>http://otrops.com/archive/2007/05/13/the-lives/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Eman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 19:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What frightens me is the idea that human beings can be taught to accept an unacceptable, inhumane situation as normal and natural."

Recently, "This American Life" from Chicago Public Radio had a terrifying show about the "prisoners" in Gitmo. If you get a chance, you should download it and give it a listen. I think the episode was called "Habeas Shamabeas".

Here in the states, the current administration is using fear as a tactic to undermine "American exceptionalism" (though that was probably bullshit from the start), but there is something else at work also. Most people don't fucking know what's going on, and it's happening in plain sight. 

Then again, once you figure out what's going on, the hard part is determining what you can do to help. Write you congress member or senator? Give money to the lawyer's defending these guys? Join a anti-war protest? It's that feeling of helplessness that usually ends with people just accepting the way things are when you're exacting pain on others. Is this even relevant to your discussion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What frightens me is the idea that human beings can be taught to accept an unacceptable, inhumane situation as normal and natural.&#8221;</p>
<p>Recently, &#8220;This American Life&#8221; from Chicago Public Radio had a terrifying show about the &#8220;prisoners&#8221; in Gitmo. If you get a chance, you should download it and give it a listen. I think the episode was called &#8220;Habeas Shamabeas&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here in the states, the current administration is using fear as a tactic to undermine &#8220;American exceptionalism&#8221; (though that was probably bullshit from the start), but there is something else at work also. Most people don&#8217;t fucking know what&#8217;s going on, and it&#8217;s happening in plain sight. </p>
<p>Then again, once you figure out what&#8217;s going on, the hard part is determining what you can do to help. Write you congress member or senator? Give money to the lawyer&#8217;s defending these guys? Join a anti-war protest? It&#8217;s that feeling of helplessness that usually ends with people just accepting the way things are when you&#8217;re exacting pain on others. Is this even relevant to your discussion?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VC</title>
		<link>http://otrops.com/archive/2007/05/13/the-lives/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff VC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 13:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Rafal&lt;br /&gt;
We went to the &lt;a href="http://www.picturehouses.co.uk/site/cinemas/Clapham/local.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Clapham Picturehouse&lt;/a&gt;.  It's close to home and we have a membership, so we get a discount on tickets.  We see a lot of films there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you get a chance to see the film, I'd be interested to hear what you think about it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rafal<br />
We went to the <a href="http://www.picturehouses.co.uk/site/cinemas/Clapham/local.htm" rel="nofollow">Clapham Picturehouse</a>.  It&#8217;s close to home and we have a membership, so we get a discount on tickets.  We see a lot of films there.</p>
<p>If you get a chance to see the film, I&#8217;d be interested to hear what you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafal</title>
		<link>http://otrops.com/archive/2007/05/13/the-lives/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 12:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What cinema did you choose for this film?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What cinema did you choose for this film?</p>
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